Cue, Marc: …if I get my bandwidth. … I’m not feeling great today. So let’s–
Cue, Nick: …yeah, as we say, you can sit down or if you’re…
We’re in Virginia Beach, about a 4-hour drive from Washington D.C., to meet a man who has become a key character in this story. His name is Marc Polymeropoulos (POL-ee-mer-opp-o-liss).
He’s one of the most vocal advocates for victims of what the government is now officially calling “Anomalous Health Incidents.”
But before this chapter of his life began, Marc was a high-flying CIA officer. He spent 26 years at the Agency – 12 of them in the field. He was an “operations officer”.
Cue, Marc: …uh, which meant I was, you know, responsible for spotting, assessing, developing, recruiting, and handling, you know, agents, spies.
Marc was ambitious. A rising star at the CIA. After 9/11, he was put in charge of counter-terrorism operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Cue, Marc: After the 2016 elections, the agency leadership took a lot of us and put us on, frankly, Russia, because it was time to push back.
By 2016, though, Russia’s increasing aggression had become impossible to ignore.
Cue, anchor: …Russian troops spreading out throughout the strategic Crimean peninsula…
Cue, anchor: …international investigators have concluded that Russian president Vladimir Putin played an active role in the…
Cue, anchor: …officials have told CBS News that American intelligence agencies believe Putin, at some point, was directly involved in the hacking around the election…
So, with US–Russian relations in their steepest decline since the fall of the Berlin Wall, the CIA was told… to take the gloves off.
Marc was promoted to Chief of Clandestine Operations over Europe and Eurasia. And in December 2017, he made his first official trip to Moscow.
Cue, Marc: And, you know…
…
…
something happened there that certainly changed my life.
[BEAT]
[CUE, THEME]
From Project Brazen and PRX… This is THE SOUND.
I’m Nicky Woolf.
[MUSIC FADES]
Chapter 6.
A Silent Injury
[BEAT]
Cue, Max: Check, check, 1, 2…
Cue, Nicky: We are out in front of the Spy Museum in Washington, D.C. … And there’s, like, a big sign that says ‘Spy Museum’. Another thing in front of it that, like, there’s a ‘Do Not Climb’ sign and it says ‘We are Watching,’ which I think is really cool. [Laughs]
Cue, Max: Alright, let’s head inside.
I’m here with Max – my producer. We’ve been on this wild journey of a story together… from the very beginning.
The Spy Museum recently moved into a brand new building, and the tall glass atrium is bright… and filled with cool stuff. We loiter for a while by James Bond’s Aston Martin.
Cue, Nicky: Is that the actual one from the film? Do you think?
Max: Yeah. Goldfinger.
We’ve come here to see one item in particular. A device ominously called “The Thing.”
I know, I know… Havana Syndrome was called “The Thing” at the beginning, too. Not to beat a dead horse… but come on, guys, we really need to find some new names for this stuff.
Aliza Bran, the museum’s Media Relations Manager, finds us in the lobby and whisks us past the ticket kiosk and up in the staff elevator.
Cue, Aliza: … So here’s where the whole adventure begins. Um, and I’m just gonna take you right over to “The Thing.”
Cue Max: Please… *FADES UNDER
Here’s what we’re seeing. Behind the glass is a circle of chunky, beautifully-carved mahogany. It’s a couple feet across… and has the Presidential Seal of the United States on it.
You know the design. A bald eagle, wings proudly outstretched. Surrounded by stars. Clutching a bundle of arrows in one claw and an olive branch in another.
“The Thing,” though… is what’s inside its beak.
[CUE, MUSIC]
In 1945, the Great Seal sculpture was presented to the American Ambassador in Moscow by a group of Soviet schoolchildren. He was so honoured he put it on the wall of his personal study, right behind his desk.
That, it turns out… was not the smartest thing to do.
Cue, Aliza: Um, and in fact, it’s supposed to be interesting enough that one may wanna put it up in their office. So that it can collect this intelligence.
As you’ve probably guessed by now, the Great Seal? It was bugged. Inside the eagle’s beak is a tiny transmitter, maybe the size of an AA battery.
Cue, Max: When was the device discovered?
Cue, Aliza: Um, I think it, it was 1952 it was discovered and it took several months for them to figure out how it even worked.
It hung undetected in the US ambassador’s study for… seven years.
Cue, Aliza: I believe it was the British who, um, we’re making that determination.
Cue, Nicky: Also discovered by the British, hell yeah!
Cue, Aliza: From a scientific standpoint, it is kind of cool. [Laughs]
Cue, Aliza: Ultimately, they were like, how does this, how is this working? How does it happen?
Up ‘til then, bugs needed a power source…
This was different.
Cue, Aliza: “The Thing” was a passive cavity resonator activated by a radio beam from a van outside. When people spoke, soundwaves entered through tiny holes under the eagle’s beak. These vibrated a membrane that modulated the radio beam, bouncing it back as an audio signal to the people listening in the van.
It was powered from the outside by RF energy. All the Russians needed to do was bathe the building in microwave radiation… and record the signal that came back.
Cue, Nicky: Activated by a radio beam … ‘cause obviously we’re looking into the idea that Havana Syndrome might be in a similar way, like a beam, a microwave beam from outside.
Cue, Aliza: Sure.
Cue, Nicky: That’s why, that’s why coming in and seeing this is so cool. ‘Cause it’s, you know, this is 1945 right? Like there’s been decades and decades of development on, on this sort of thing …
[CUE, MUSIC]
The museum is filled with examples of how the US and Soviet Union were constantly prodding each other…
We’ve focused on the idea that what hit the victims in Havana could have been the deliberate deployment of a weapon. But the Great Seal “Thing” implies another possibility.
Cue, Nicky: … this all speaks to the… you know, the, the culture of, of this kind of spycraft, right?
Cue, Aliza: … And how you use things. So we talk about, um, how you can create physical damage on the other end.
So sometimes, you know, there are additional consequences to whether, uh, it’s radio or whatever wave or connectivity or technology you’re using, you can really do additional damage. [Laughs] And sometimes intentional. Sometimes not.
The technological principles are the same. It’s all about that intention.
Cue, Nicky: That’s one of the major theories is that it’s a surveillance device that then they discovered might be doing damage and then whether they then… *fades under*
Now we have to do some digging. We want to know how the technology has evolved since then – and how the intentions may have changed too.
[INTERVIEW AMBI…]
Cue, Nicky: How do we…what’s the…?
Cue, Aliza: Great question, you can either take the elevator or the stairs either way. It deposits you – like any good museum – right in our gift shop… [Laughs]
*FADES UNDER*
[BEAT]
[CUE, MUSIC]
The discovery of the microwave-activated listening device in the Great Seal… was just the start. The Soviets used radiation in all sorts of intelligence gathering.
It eventually even… got a name.
Moscow Signal.
[BEAT]
Cue, Kornbluh: Moscow Signal was almost 30 years of radiation beams directed at the upper floors of the US Embassy Chancelry building in Moscow.
This is Peter Kornbluh (Korn-blue), a journalist and founder of the National Security Archive. In 2022, he published a stunning series of newly-declassified documents relating to the American response to the Moscow Signal.
Cue, Kornbluh: … In the early 1950s, a energy signal was detected by radio operators.
This signal was first detected around the same time as the Great Seal. And the Americans found more devices around the embassy.
Cue, Kornbluh: …but 10 years went by before the State Department decided they would actually try and focus on what this was and identify its purpose and where it came from and its strength.
Finally, in 1962, State sent a team to measure the energy coming into the embassy. They identified it.
Cue, Kornbluh: Microwave radiation beams that were directed at the embassy for nine, ten hours a day.
The first test, conducted by the CIA, showed a shockingly-high radiation level.
Cue, Kornbluh: …and it was at that point when the United States realized there, you know, was something going on.
In a panic, the US government sprung into action. The Pentagon commissioned a top-secret, multi-million dollar investigation named Project PANDORA.
They wanted to know if these microwaves were part of some sort of attack. And if they could be dangerous. So they set about testing the effect of this level of radiation on monkeys.
The whole thing was largely a farce. The experiment design was dire, according to a classified review by the RAND corporation.
Several of the chimpanzees were accidentally strangled by their own restraints, the review archly noted, concluding that the study had come up with “no material which is scientifically credible.”
As if that wasn’t enough…
Cue, Kornbluh: …the CIA miscalculated the strength of the signal.
Whoever took the original measurements had miscalibrated their equipment. The actual radiation level was considerably lower than they’d thought.
After four embarrassingly unproductive years, the investigations were shut down without coming to anything approaching a conclusive finding.
We’re still in the dark.
Cue, Kornbluh: Even today, all these years and decades later, we don’t have the CIA or NSA records that state categorically what the purpose of the microwave radiation was.
In Washington, stung by the failure to find any proof of deleterious effects, the fact that the Soviets were microwaving their embassy remained a … low priority.
Cue, Kornbluh: The beams continued well into the 1970s and even 1980s.
And while – sure – the radiation wasn’t as shockingly strong as that first CIA reading claimed… the problem was getting worse.
Cue, Kornbluh: By the early seventies, the signal went from being one signal to being multiple signals.
…
The signal was multiplied, it was stronger, and it was being beamed at the embassy for more hours a day… Sometimes up to 15, 19 hours a day.
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Cue, Schumaker: Uh, my name is James Schumaker. I am a retired foreign service officer. In 1977, I was assigned to our, uh, embassy in Moscow, and I served there for two years.
Cue, Nicky: And, before you went, had you heard anything about, uh, Moscow Signal?
Cue, Schumaker: No, absolutely nothing. [Laughs]
When James Schumaker got to Moscow in 1977, the story had been in the public domain for almost a year. The actual American staff on the ground in Moscow had been kept in the dark about what was going on until 1976.
Cue, Schumaker: …which is when Ambassador Stoessel briefed embassy personnel on the existence of the microwave issue. At that time, that was a year before I arrived.
The discovery of the Great Seal hadn’t deterred the Kremlin even a little. In fact, by the time James arrived, all the surveillance had expanded dramatically.
Cue, Schumaker: So ever since we were there, microwaves were being beamed at us. [Laughs]
…
And so you would hear kind of the gossip about what was the latest, uh, with the microwaves issue. But, quite frankly, beyond the press briefings that the State Department gave people, very few people were aware of the facts.
For James, the microwave thing… wasn’t top of the list of his worries.
Cue, Schumaker: I’ve always been kind of dumb but happy in a way.
… I have a tendency not to start at shadows … even when the shadows are real.
He knew he was being surveilled and followed by Russian agents anyway. Everyone was. Houses would be broken into. Airline baggage would arrive late, having been rifled through.
Cue, Schumaker: It was a very peripheral concern. You know, I just focus on my job.
But among his colleagues, there was growing anger.
Cue, Schumaker: …a lot of, uh, a lot of Americans at post were very upset at, uh, having now found out that microwaves had been beamed at the embassy.
The government was insisting there was no need for concern. But people were starting to… question that narrative. On an anecdotal level, they were seeing things that troubled them.
Llewellyn Thompson, a recent former ambassador, died in 1972 of pancreatic cancer. Two years later, so did his predecessor, Charles Bohlen. Both were in their 60s.
Walter Stoessel, the ambassador just before James’ arrival, developed a rare form of leukemia seemingly out of the blue. He was in his mid-50s.
Cue, Schumaker: You know, all these things sort of started coming together and I didn’t really know what to do about it. You know I was just becoming more gradually aware that there was a problem…
Of course, these can be explained as coincidences. But they’re pretty big coincidences. And they were piling up. Alarmed, a number of James’s colleagues filed lawsuits against the government. He wasn’t one of them.
Cue, Schumaker: And I didn’t really start getting concerned about the whole microwave issue in any way
…
…
…until after I had left post.
In response to the lawsuits and press coverage, State commissioned a study by Johns Hopkins. Published in 1978, it reported no measurable evidence of harm, which led to all of the lawsuits being dropped.
But in the decades since, many have poked holes in this study. Its authors have admitted that they were rushed to publish. They only surveyed former staffers for a few years, so long-term impacts weren’t measured.
And the data collection was imprecise. For many test subjects, it was unclear where they worked in the embassy and for how long. So it was impossible to tell what their level of exposure could have been.
[CUE, MUSIC]
The coincidences were becoming increasingly difficult to explain away.
James left in 1979 after a two-year tour.
Cue, Schumaker: And I went through my end-of-tour medical exam at the State Department. And they say, ‘Well, you know, your blood count is abnormal.’
The doctors told James he had a very high white blood cell count. It was alarming but, they told him, probably not deadly or anything like that. No reason to panic.
What was actually considerably more alarming… was when they told him they weren’t surprised.
Cue, Schumaker: So they said, ‘look, it’s nothing to worry about. This happens to a lot of people who come outta Moscow. So just go to a hematologist once a year to get new blood tests and, you know, let us know if something other than that happens.’
Cue, Nicky: um –
Cue, Max: – actually, sorry, sorry Nicky, I just had a really quick follow-up on that –
This actually sailed straight over my head in the moment. But Max followed up.
Cue, Max: … When, when you went to the doctors the first time and they noticed your elevated white blood cell count, they mentioned that other people in Moscow had experienced something similar?
Cue, Schumaker: Yeah. This was something that was generally known, but nobody quite knew the reason why … They said it was just sort of standard operating procedure.
About one in three people returning from Embassy Moscow, the doctors said, had severely elevated white blood cell counts like this. One in three.
[BEAT]
Over the next few years James’s kept climbing.
Cue, Schumaker: And then in 1985, I was diagnosed with, uh, chronic lymphocytic leukemia.
That’s the same cancer Ambassador Stoessel had developed.
Cue, Schumaker: It was stage zero, so no treatment was required. And, and, in fact, I was having no symptoms at all.
Cue, Nicky: Do you have other, kind of, friends and colleagues in Moscow who had a sort of similar experience to yours?
Schumaker: Uh, yes. I, I do, I, I don’t wanna, you know, invade their privacy, but, uh, I’ve, I’ve had some friends who have died, some from some very strange diseases out of Moscow.
[BEAT]
[MUSIC FADES]
James worked at more embassies over the next few decades until he retired in 2008. The Moscow Signal kind of faded to the back of his memory.
Until summer 2017.
Cue, anchor: … there’s a new theory about the mysterious and debilitating symptoms reported by dozens of government workers …
Cue, anchor: …the most likely explanation: directed, pulsed microwave energy…
Cue, Schumaker: …reports started coming out that one of the prime suspects, uh, in Havana Syndrome was microwaves or directed energy.
…And all of a sudden I say, ‘Well, hmm, this is really interesting.’
James had this growing sense of déjà vu. He recognised the frustration and worry from embassy officials. The slow and inept government response. The dissent in the medical community. The skepticism in the press and in Washington.
Cue, Schumaker: The initial government response to both Moscow microwaves and Havana Syndrome was the same.
You, know, it’s an inconvenient problem. Nobody knows exactly what it is, we’re not ever gonna be able to solve it, so let’s just sweep it under the rug. That’s the bureaucratic impulse.
It’s worth saying, the technology being described here is different.
The Moscow Signal was about long exposure to low levels of radiation. No Frey Effect. No sound. The scientific community is split on whether this exposure to microwaves even can be carcinogenic in this way.
We’ll likely never know for sure in this case: there were no long-term follow-up studies done on the Moscow embassy cohort.
But what about the present day? Is Russia still in the business of doing this sort of thing?
We’ll get into that… after the break.
[CUE, MUSIC]
We’re back.
Cue, anchor: Now Russia is the leading suspect…
Cue, Bartholomew: … a microwave attack by the Russians…
Cue, Sosa: Everybody I’ve talked to in the US suspects the Russians are behind these apparent attacks…
Cue, Harris: This looks like the Russians, it sounds like the Russians, it seems like something they would do…
We’ve heard how the Soviet Union used microwaves in the 50s. In the 60s. The 70s. The 80s.
And in fact, the question of Russia has been hanging over this entire series. They’re the elephant in the room. The bogeyman.
That’s why we’ve come to Virginia Beach, where we started this episode. That’s why we’ve come to meet Marc Polymeropoulos, the senior CIA officer who went to Russia in 2017.
There, something happened to him.
Cue, Marc: … I woke up in the middle of the night … uh, the room was spinning. Uh, I had a splitting headache, uh, I had tinnitus, which is ringing in my ears.
You know, I’d been in war zones for years.
I’d been shot at many times, uh, but this was pretty terrifying.
Marc had never experienced anything like this. Like he was losing control of his brain.
Cue, Marc: … and it was just, it was this incredible kind of terrifying, disconcerting feeling, but something clearly had happened to me…
At first, he first thought it was food poisoning. But the symptoms never eased up.
Cue, Marc: …really when I get home… the first couple weeks and months after that is when the symptoms got really bad.
His vision was getting worse. He had headaches. Vertigo and nausea came and went.
Cue, Marc: I think back … to a trip I took … where I had to take my son to a high school baseball tournament in Florida. And, and how terrifying it was that, that I couldn’t drive …
This is when Marc started a painful medical journey. First… he went to a head and neck specialist. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong with him. He started calling in sick to work.
It’s only then he makes the connection to the news about what’s happened in Havana. So he goes to the CIA and asks for the same test protocol they were now using for those patients.
Cue, Marc: Um, the problem is when I got back to the United States and I went to the CIA’s Office of Medical Services, they had, they had kind of a, a tough time in believing me.
The initial tests were inconclusive. But he was feeling worse and worse.
The victims from Havana and elsewhere had been sent to top-tier facilities: Walter Reed and the National Intrepid Center of Excellence. But Marc was denied a referral.
After decades working for the CIA… he felt betrayed. To him… the agency he dedicated his life to… now wasn’t backing him up.
Cue, Marc: I used all of my medical, you know, leave, all my vacation leave … I was begging the agency to provide me medical care and, and they didn’t.
… I could barely make it through the day.
So in April 2019, at the age of 50, Marc retired. He still had symptoms. But in terms of finding treatment… he was on his own.
He was fed up. He’d now dealt with years of bureaucracy… red tape… and people not believing him. So… he did something that CIA people just don’t do. He went public.
Cue, anchor: … Our next guest believes he was among those to suffer such an attack while working in a Moscow hotel back in 2017… Marc Polymeropolous joins us now…
Cue, anchor: Marc Polymeropolous ran clandestine operations across Europe and Asia.
Cue, anchor: …joining me now is one of those former officials pressuring Haspel, uh, Marc Polymeropolous, a recently retired…
Marc quickly became a regular on the Washington TV circuit.
Usually, he was there to answer one central question: could Russia be the culprit for this whole thing? Are they the ones behind what happened to him and the Havana victims? Are they our perpetrators?
Cue, Marc: With the friends that I have, uh, in the intelligence community who have been affected by this … you know, there’s, there’s a significant number who were working on, or who have worked on Russian operations.
…it’s almost a brilliant weapon, ‘cause the Russians are able to take intelligence officers who are working against them … off the playing field, but they do it in a non-attributable fashion.
Marc became a figurehead for victims of what the government was now calling “Anomalous Health Incidents.” A sort of public advocate, a spokesperson.
CIA officers, FBI agents and diplomats who saw him on TV often reach out to say they’re going through something similar and don’t know what to do about it.
Marc tells us that when he meets someone who’s going through this… he tries to prepare them for the fight ahead.
Cue, Marc: You know, this is life-changing … there’s, there’s kind of this process of accepting that you’re not the same person.
We wish we were shot … because, you know, people don’t believe us. For us … It’s a silent injury.
We’ll hear more of Marc’s story in a later episode. But he told us for now that he wants three things.
The first is accountability for the government’s handling of cases like his. He’s frustrated that they don’t seem to take all this seriously. The second thing he wants is for all the victims to get treatment and have access to healthcare.
Cue, Marc: And the last bucket that I’m constantly interested in is attribution, who’s doing this? … I think this is an act of war on our personnel, and we have to figure out who did this.
Marc thinks all roads lead back to Russia. To him… this phenomenon smacks of yet another Soviet-style active measure. Just like the microwaves beamed at “The Thing” hiding in the Great Seal, or “The Moscow Signal” – radiation bathing the embassy when James Schumaker was there.
But what’s been bothering me is: why would they do this? How would it be in their interests?
Marc has a theory.
Cue, Marc: Well, they’ve sewn total complete chaos. And there’s huge fights within the US government on whether this is real or not.
You know, it’s a pretty, pretty hideous injury. But look what Russia is doing, you know, whether it’s assassinations overseas, whether it’s war crimes in Ukraine.
You know, I don’t think you can make an argument that this is iany different from ethics and morality than what the Russians do already.
[MUSIC FADES]
Russia loves to seed chaos. We know this. Anyone who watches the news knows this. If they wanted to intimidate American security personnel… well, it’s been a tremendous success.
But the evidence against them is still circumstantial. And some of it raises more questions for me.
How does all this tie back to Havana? If it really is a sort of Russian active measure, how would they have pulled it off on the ground? Why Cuba specifically?
There are still some basic parts of this story that I need to fill in. And I can’t do that from a distance. We need to be in Cuba.
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But getting there is proving to be quite hard. For one, the Cuban government is not known for its bureaucratic efficiency. And we’re a bunch of foreign journalists who want to look into a supposed attack on Cuban soil – a supposed attack, for which they were immediately blamed by the US government.
It’s maybe not surprising that they’re a bit cagey.
So we pitch them pretty hard for permission. Back in Washington… Max gets us a meeting at the Cuban Embassy for journalist visas.
We couldn’t record the meeting itself, so afterwards we compare notes.
Cue, Nicky: …Um… [Laughs] We’ve just come back from the embassy of the Republic of Cuba in Washington, D.C. on 16th Street where we met with the deputy chief of mission. Really, really interesting conversation…
One thing in particular at the embassy… kinda blew my mind.
Cue, Nicky: The first thing that really struck me was there’s bullet holes in, like all across the front of the embassy. And he was saying that that was, it was a far right extremist, anti-Cuba, who in the middle of the night just opens fire with, uh, what seems like a pretty high-powered rifle. I mean that some of the bullet holes went all the way inside on the back wall of the big grand kind of staircase…
This isn’t ancient history by the way – this was in April 2020. A man walked up to the Cuban Embassy on one of the busiest streets in Washington – in the middle of the night – and opened fire…
Neither me nor Max had any idea this had happened.
For both of us, it’s a moment for a real change in perspective.
Cue, Nicky: … um, and I was sitting there thinking, you know, we’re, we’re looking into an alleged attack on the American Embassy in Havana, and there was a literal attack with a gun on the, on the Cuban Embassy in, in Washington.
…
That’s, I mean, that’s nuts, right?
Up to this point… I’ve looked at Cuba as the scene of the crime. But it’s also possible they’re a victim here.
Cue Nicky: You know, this has had a real impact on, on the lives of, of the Cuban people… Um, in terms of scientific exchange, in terms of tourism revenue, in terms of trade …
…
I, I hope he got the sense that that’s the kind of story we want to tell, and I hope he talks to his colleagues back home and, and hopefully we have a reasonable chance at being able to go.
As it turns out, this conversation was just the start of a long, drawn-out negotiation process. We sent letter after letter to senior Cuban officials. Filed all the necessary forms – in triplicate.
When we got responses, they all sounded promising. But final permission seemed to always remain… just out of reach.
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Months went by. With our deadline coming up fast, we’d basically given up hope. But then… at the last possible moment… the decision comes down.
We have a green light.
[AIRPORT AMBI]
Cue, Nicky: We are in Miami International Airport. And we’re about to board a flight to Havana, Cuba…
Cue, Pilot: At this time I would like our flight attendants to please prepare for takeoff…
[PLANE TAKES OFF]
Cue, Flight Attendant: Bienvenidos a Havana….
Cue, Nicky: Are we ready to say it? Is it time to say it now?
Cue, Max: I think it’s time.
Cue, Nicky: We are in Havana. We have arrived.
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NEXT TIME… ON THE SOUND.
Cue, Max: there it is. Yeah.
Cue, Nicky: Where it all began.
Cue, Max: Did you guys hear—
[CUE, “THE SOUND”]
Cue, Max: That was it.
Cue, Nicky: That’s the sound.
[CREDITS]
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THE SOUND was produced by Goat Rodeo.
Lead producer is Max Johnston.
The show was reported and written by me – Nicky Woolf – and Max Johnston.
Executive producers for Project Brazen are Bradley Hope, Tom Wright and Nicholas Brennan.
Senior Producers for Goat Rodeo are Ian Enright & Megan Nadolski.
Mixing and engineering by Rebecca Seidel.
Original score by the fabulous Attacca Quartet.
Additional music from Max Johnston, Ian Enright, Rebecca Seidel and Blue Dot Sessions.
Editorial and Production assistance at Goat Rodeo from Isabelle Kerby-McGowan, Cara Shillenn, Jay Venables and Megan Nadolski.
At Project Brazen, Mariangel Gonzales (Mah-ree-un-hell), Megan Dean, Susie Armitage (Arm-eh-tedge), Francesca Gilardi Quadrio Curzio, Salber Lee, Lucy Woods, Siddhartha Mahanta, and Neha Wadekar.
Ryan Ho is series creative director. Cover art designed by Julien Pradier (Pra-dee-yay).
Series video production by Javier Labrador, Andrija Klaric, Giulia Franchi, Emily Chao and Nicholas Brennan.
Special thanks to Aliza Bran and the staff at the International Spy Museum in Washington D.C.… for their support of the show.
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